Tuesday, March 04, 2008

Coerced Confession vs. Real Confessions

Barry Beach gave a coerced confession to detectives in Louisiana that ultimately led to his conviction. Many have come forward over the years since that conviction stating that they have overheard or been the recipient of confessions from several people in the Poplar area. Who has heard anything and what was said? How can this help Barry's plight?
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1 - I pray that people who know what really happened would have the courage to step forward and do the right thing. What a terrible thing to go to one's grave with, knowing that you might have helped the truth come out and free an innocent man. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/04 - 21:26:39
2 - I found your advertisements in the Great Falls Tribune and Wolf Point Herald today. Thank you for your investigation and support for justice.

I would like to add that men of his age at the time don't usually fight with unrelated woman. However, according to a bar owner here, women here physically fight worse than men elsewhere.

Rumor here is that those who investigated the scene are surprised that the seat cover with the bloody hand print is missing from the evidence.

Time to round up the horrible Maude Greyhawk, her father, Atkinson, and the others. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/05 - 22:16:57
3 - Hey, for the safety of us all, let's get those murderer off the streets. They did it once and got away with it. What is stopping them from coming and killing again? None of us are safe with the likes of them running around free. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/06 - 10:56:02 in reply to: 2
4 - I can't believe that more people from Poplar and the surrounding area DON'T HAVE THE SPINE to come forward. Yea, that sounds a little harsh, but what gives. If this happened in my community I would be on the rooftops. Oh, I would raise heck. Maybe we all need to raise a little hell. If we as Montana's raise some hell maybe the Poplar-ites would rise up. Lets go people, lets let the politicians know WE ARE TICKED OFF. Signed Dwidle Dweeb (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/06 - 19:09:53
5 - The attorney generals office was so scared of what Maude Greyhawk might say at the parole board hearing that they called her and told her not to come. This despite her being subpoenaed by Centurion and having her travel arranged. The parole board didn't appear upset with the attorney general for this back door scheming. In any other court in the land this would have been contempt. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/07 - 17:16:40
6 - they have done it more than once,,, maude had her husband killed by her boyfriend because he was going to tell the courts what he had been told from maude..that "she was involved in killing Kim Nees." yes, they need to be off the streets (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/07 - 19:24:01 in reply to: 3
7 - EVERYBODY IN POPLAR KNOWS IT WAS MAUDE GREYHAWK, SISSY ATKSINSON AND JOANNE JACKSON...STEVE GREYHAWK, YOU STOLE THE EVIDENCE SO THAT YOUR DAUGHTER WOULDNT GET IN TROUBLE..BOBBY ATKINSON WAS THE CHEIF OF POLICE AND HE GOT HIS SISTER OUT OF IT..AND THE REASON NO ONE WILL SAY ANYTHING BECUZ THEY'RE AFRAID THEY MIGHT GET KILLED OR BEAT UP AT THE LEAST.. (Comment this)

Written by: bon scott at 2008/03/08 - 18:37:21
8 - to #6--- yes and dont forget, it has been said that maude caused joe cloud boys death too. well she got away with it before. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/08 - 20:47:47 in reply to: 6
9 - #7: now maudes dad is trying to be a preacher and using religion? after that happened with kim; maude, sissy, joanne, ed v and a couple others all began to go to church very heavily. thta didnt last too long though, probably thought all that crying and praying "cleansed" them and made them innocent? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/08 - 20:51:25 in reply to: 7
10 - bon scott, the reason they aren't saying anything is because there is nothing to say, beach is guilty. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/10 - 12:59:37 in reply to: 7
11 - #10 If Beach is guilty and you are not afraid of the truth YOU should encourage Maude to testify. Your actions are not as confident as your words. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/10 - 13:44:54
12 - testify about what? there isn't going to be a new trial-they got the right guy in jail. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/10 - 22:38:26
13 - You could have encouraged Maude to testify at the Parole Board hearing. You see there are only two groups of people who look at this mountain of evidence and say Barry Beach is guilty. The first group is friendly with the killers, the second has there reputation at stake if Barry is released. Either way you had access to Maude. I suspect you are in the second camp though and much of your career has been wasted on keeping Barry in prison. You don't want your dishonor exposed to the world. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/11 - 08:00:03 in reply to: 12
14 - You notice he doesn't deny knowing Maude. He says it's just to late for her to testify. I think hes starting to sweat. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/11 - 08:07:03 in reply to: 12
15 - There isn't going to be a new trial? How do you know? Are you the judge? I doubt it. Related to the judge? Paying off the judge? You seem very confident in another person's decision. Why are you afraid of a new trial. There is new evidence. If he is as guilty as you seem to think he is, then he will be found guilty again, right? And if he is proven to be innocent by a jury of his peers; what will you say then? Oh wait, you are from the Ft. Peck Rez. You must be a family member of one of the murderers. I guess when Barry goes free, the only thing you will be saying will be said in the visiting room of the Montana State Prison. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/11 - 09:34:54 in reply to: 12
16 - To those who know who killed Kim: You were kids then, on drugs and drinking. You are now in your 40's and 50's it is time to come clean. You aren't fooling anyone. Even those who defend you know you were involved. That is why Poplar cannot heal--too many dark secrets from this event has kept this community from healing. Where is Eddie V? Maude? Sissy A.? Come clean and pray for forgiveness. When you are on your deathbead you will remember that you had an opportunity to tell the truth but you chose not to. That is one ugly secret to take to your grave. Come clean and tell the truth. The truth will set you free. Only the truth can do that, not secrecy and cover-up. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/11 - 11:41:08
17 - I was born in 1979, and I've heard all the rumors on the rez because I was born and raised on Fort Peck. I've heard all my relatives talk about it, my great-grandmother told me Kim Nees spirit still walks because she went too young. My relatives all lived on the hill and my mother was sitting outside that night, she heard alot of them partying down there, which makes me question Barry's confession in which he said he was alone with Kim down there, and if so, then how come my mother heard more than a couple people down there? Also, I've heard all the rumors about Sissy and Maude, but I don't think justice will come too soon for Barry because people on the rez are too scared to come forward. Look at the Follete murders, or Lawrence Crowe, and Richard Red Dog, I could go on, but of course, the right people are never convicted. I pray that they will be caught though, Poplar is a scary place to live for our children nowadays. How do you raise children in a town where murderers reside? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/11 - 11:41:57
18 - After reading the documents it is apparent detectives Jay Via and Alfred calhoun are extremely gifted at obtaining false confessions. They extracted confessions from Mr Beach on two Louisiana murders as well as the Nees murder. As I understand it they then realized it was impossible for him to commit the Louisiana murders. They then extracted a confession from another man for these same murders. Then this confession was proved false (through DNA after the correct murderer was finally identified). Somehow Via and Calhoun insist the confession they obtained from Mr beach regaurding Nees was actually right. It is incredible that Mr Beach is in prison solely due to this "confession" these men extracted and no other evidence...period. You Da Men (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/13 - 10:41:26
19 - There will not be a new trial, he is guilty and it has been all the way through the court system, if they let him out then the public will be in trouble and all of those who think he is not guilty will see the real barry beach and see what a big mistake they made. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/13 - 15:02:34 in reply to: 13
20 - To Comment 19:

Yes, yes, yes. We have heard you say this over and over again. You say he is guilty but refuse to provide evidence. You say he won't get a new trial but don't know that for sure. Either say something new or find someone else to harrass. We know he is innocent of murdering Kim Nees. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/13 - 15:23:16 in reply to: 19
21 - Yeah, it's universal. #19 and his ilk who say Barry is guilty cannot provide a single shred of evidence to support there position. It always comes down to them having there own agenda. They are either tight with the murderers or will be embarrassed by there actions if the truth comes out. Lets debate #19. One fact. Give us one fact that implicates Barry besides the coerced confession to three murders (2 proven wrong right away) by thugs in Louisiana. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/14 - 08:20:28 in reply to: 20
22 - I have just came across this story and find it very amazing.. It seems to me like someone out side the area should take a look at this and do an investagation or something.. The dateline show should help alot.. One thing I have not read is if this man has said he really did not do it and was coerced into a confession?? I will being Praying for everyone involved.. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/14 - 09:35:31
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23 - Barry has maintained for many, many years that he did not commit this crime. On May 28, 1987, Barry gave a formal statement of his innocence. If you look under Case Documents, you will find a .pdf document called "Innocence Statement". Read it for yourself. The one and only time Barry admitted to this crime was during his interrogation by Louisiana detectives who also got him to confess to other murders in the Louisiana area that he also could not have done and were later proved that he did not commit by forensic evidence. (Comment this)

Written by: Montanans for Justice at 2008/03/14 - 09:52:14
24 - Montanans for Justice,Montanans for Justice,
Thank you very much for the information.. I will go back and read the information for myself.. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/14 - 14:28:18 in reply to: 23
25 - Have any of the suspects named above ever offered to undergo a polygraph? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/15 - 06:55:21
26 - #25, I was wondering when someone was going to ask this question. Any answers? (Comment this)

Written by: LegAdv at 2008/03/15 - 09:10:06 in reply to: 25
27 - LegAdv,

The problem with this case is that the government does not seem to want anything else done with it because any evidence that comes up is not going to implicate Barry and will undermine their authority and power. It is a sad case of "If we do nothing, nothing will change." They won't even test the fingerprints and bloody handprint found at the crime scene against the people being accused in this crime. Who cares about a polygraph that is inadmissible in court. Let's see what the forensic evidence says. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/15 - 11:21:57 in reply to: 26
28 - Does barry remeber confessing? or is he trying to claim he was drugged by a milk shake. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 13:20:04 in reply to: 23
29 - I just read the confession a second time. I noticed a lot of new things, like references to other confessions by Barry about the same murder that they hadn't gotten right. Even the Det. Via was afraid that the confession might turn from "lengthy interrogation" to "intimidation" if they went any longer. They admitted they were denying him food. They also said he was out of (mentally) and saying anything they wanted. And Det. Via also says that he had lost his voice during the interrogation. Wow! Just that stuff alone (and there was lots more) leads me to believe it must have been a living hell in that Louisiana jail. I don't even want to imagine. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 14:59:05
30 - I agree. It seems beyond logic. These detectives squeezed confessions out of him to three murders. They admittedly got false confessions out of him on two of the murders. The third confession got key facts wrong and all information that matched was in the public domain. They still want us to believe one out of three was correct. Why the Attorney General ignores the basic facts of these confessions is hard to comprehend. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 15:13:55 in reply to: 29
31 - Can the Attorney General be pushed into a live press conference to explain his ignoring the basic facts? Someway the government officials need to come before "the people" to explain and answer for their actions. Their poorly written lame excuses to only the questions they wish to answer has to cease. It's time they do their jobs or be held accountable. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 16:49:04
32 - Unfortunately, it appears the Atorney Generals office is concerned about saving face. Some current and past officials have spent considerable time over there careers maintaining the position that Barry Beach is guilty. It certainly would take courage at this point to admit that the evidence does not support his guilt. I do believe, though that they have too much to fear by opening themselves up to public questioning in a press conference. Undoubtedly though, those responsible in the attorney generals office are looking at this site and reading this blog. Please ask your questions of them and just maybe they might respond in writing and we could have a open civil debate (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 17:22:17 in reply to: 31
33 - Mr. McGrath and all fellow AG's:

Montana is suffering as a State because of this case. It is apparent that Mr. Beach is innocent. Your contentions that Mr. Beach should stay where he is at because it is too late is a slap in my face. It presents a danger to me and to all Montanans. You are allowing murderers to walk free because you are being selfish. Wake up! Open your eyes! We see the facts of this case and we see your actions. You are elected by the people. We are the people and we demand action! (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/17 - 17:27:35
34 - AMEN to whomever wrote this last comment.. The whole purpose of this web site to me is to educate US, the citizens of Montana as to the corruption taking place, those in higher positions hiding behind their inability to admit wrongdoing and plain out lying to convict a man in order to "close the case" as fast as possible..We are not standing up for Kim Nees and seeking JUSTICE for her horrific death, we are not standing up for jusice to be served in freeing Barry Beach, and most of all WE ARE NOT STANDING UP TO OURSELVES AND OUR RIGHTS AS CITIZENS OF THIS STATE. IF THIS CAN HAPPEN TO BARRY BEACH.. AND HAS HAPPENED TO OTHER MONTANANS.. THEN IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY ONE OF US OR OUR FAMILY, FRIENDS,, I DEMAND JUSTICE BE SERVED AND I PRAY THAT THIS JUDGE CYBULSKI HAS THE GUTS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND FAIR..... (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/19 - 18:41:35
35 - Can we call this judge?? Does he have email? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/19 - 20:27:42
36 - I say Google him on the internet. If you cannot get him, you can at least fill hi voicemail or make his clerk so tired that she needs a vacation.

-A Beach Bum (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/19 - 22:23:34
37 - maude greyhawk should rott in hell everyone know she and sissy had a hand in it. she has ruined the lives of the cloud boy family the kirn family and the nees family she needs to be stopped. just the air this disgusting woman breaths is viral. she infects and destroys everything she touches. dana kirn was a good freind of mine and maude had him killed. it is sad I was born in 75 but yet growing up in poplar it was common knowledge that maude killed kim along with her accomplices. this is one of the greatest travisties of justice i have heard of. how are you ever going to give this innocent man back thirty years of his life? and the judge that did this is going to have to live with this fact on his mind forever. no wonder they dont want to hear anything about it....? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/21 - 20:57:44
38 - Instead of wishing she rot in hell, why don't you turn her in? Send a tip to Barry's attorney. She will then get the justice she deserves and you may get your wish. Obviously, you know things that will implicate Maude and others. Stand up and tell the truth. There are ways to do it confidentialy. The only way to clean up Poplar and heal the open wounds that plague that community is to start telling the truth. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/22 - 15:11:09
39 - i think if i remember right, maude had a new man, dana didn't like it and the other man was nutso. dana was a real "real" buddy of mine and and i say r.i.p. but to blame maude is nuts. the guy who did it is in jail where he belongs.

everyone is talking about this beach guy and his forced confession. what if it's really true what he said to those detectives and now he's trying to get out-that's the scary part.

as for these tips, you need hard factual evidence, now just what you heard or someone else heard and was told to you. have you ever played that gossip game when one person whispers something in someone's ear and it's passed on and on. what was originally said is not what comes out in the end. people are truly living in a fantasy world if you think this guy is going to get out. give it up!!! (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/22 - 19:33:57
40 - We want hard factual evidence. You have not given us any showing Barry is guily and the State of Montana does not have any evidence against Barry. So, what now? There is forensic evidence out there. We just need to test some more people against the fingerprints, palm print, the towel, and the footprints. Then we will have our killer(s). (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/23 - 01:21:11 in reply to: 39
41 - Barry is sitting in prison because of what someone heard and told someone else. He was convicted by the gossip game. Scarey isn't it, you could be the next one the gossip game is played with, would you like us to try to get you out after they convict you?

Tell me where the hard factual evidence is to keep Barry in prison? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/23 - 10:32:48 in reply to: 39
42 - If Beach did not kill Kim Nees, he should be freed.
Even if he did kill her, he should still be freed after this length of time.
From what I remember, it was a drunken brawl for all concerned. Who will ever know the truth?
The former governor was a class "D" attorney and is probably just saving his tarnished reputation. Remember him from the horrible election of 2000, defending Bush's stealing it?
This killing has become a small town legend. It is quite distorted, no doubt.
There are many killing in Poplar which go unnoticed and that is tragic.
Hopefully, Beach will be released. At the moment, it not politically correct to do so, so sad! (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/23 - 21:16:50
43 - Are you nuts? you really think they should let a murderer out just because he has been in prison for a number of years, he should die there, I think he is lucky to be alive after what he did. he is guilty as charged. the confession is valid. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/24 - 09:26:51 in reply to: 42
44 - I do not support letting murderers out on the streets. Nor do I support keeping them out on the streets. In this case, the murderers are enjoying total freedom because ignorant people are saying "he's guilty" with no evidence. Remember the Jewish politicians with Jesus. "Crucify Him!"... "What evidence do you have against this Man?", replied the Roman authorities. "Crucify Him!", shouted the Jews. That's all they could chant, and when Juesus was going to be released anyhow, they blackmailed the Roman authorities into doing what they wanted. I suppose I must take a stand like Jesus and say "Forgive them, for they know not what they do", yet I still feel in my heart that letting an innocent man die in prison for your political gain is murder in itself.

- A Beach Bum (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/24 - 10:23:23 in reply to: 43
45 - So did the judge give in to the AG?? Will Barry be denied a retrial?? Are all Montana politicians with out a conscience? THe real killers then are breathing sighs of relief AGAIN! Is there a petition asking for a new trial anywhere that I can sign?? (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/24 - 15:26:22
46 - The AG only filed a response. Centurion Ministries will be able to file a response to that response by April 4, 2008. The judge will then make a decision after that. There has been no ruling in the case yet. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/24 - 15:29:27 in reply to: 45
47 - What I can't believe is that the AG's office stands behind this premise that Barry is procedurally and time-barred. Our laws were not passed to prevent the innocent from getting out of prison. If he is innocent and we know it, let him out of prison. It is the only moral thing we can do. The AG's office is acting criminally by preventing an innocent man from proving his innocence.

-A Beach Bum (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/24 - 15:33:50
48 - Wow! Check out the preview for the Dateline show. They have a link under "Latest News" and on the NBC icon on each page. (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/27 - 14:54:17
49 - Ok.. dana was fried of mine as well, Tracy McGowan was set up by Maude to kill Dana cuz Dana was going to tell what he knew,, b-cuz Dana knew he had to protect the kids from her and her craziness.. Maude called Dana, told Dana Tracy was going to beat her up to hurry and get over there...dana didn't want that for Maude..so he went,,, in the meantime Maude calls Tracy.. tells Tracy Dana is on his way over and she is scared..Tracy went.. they were BOTH set up... a fight breaks out and Tracy kills Dana..Maude is safe now from the truth again....Oh, by the way, Tracy has been out of prison (for killing my friend) for two years now... so tell me how is this justice??? How about my friend Kenny Booth??? He is killed by a waco beating up a girl,,,Kenny never hurt anyone... his killer will be out in 3 years???
So obviously you were NOT a friend of Dana's or you would KNOW this... RIP... KIM..DANA,,,, KENNY AND ALL THE REST...YOU ARE IN MY HEART ALWAYS... (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/27 - 20:48:37 in reply to: 39
50 - #49----Sounds just like maude, thats how she worked it between JCB and MB too and JCB was killed (Comment this)

Written by: Anonymous at 2008/03/28 - 07:16:14
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